haggaiautomotive Location Offline Senior Member Reputation: 31. If there is a shop doing the oil change for $150 I would question the quality/type of oil and brand filter they are using. But it happened to me about a year an half ago. PLUS, they are a mid-flange liner. ours was loosing coolant this spring and ended up being the water pump. For a better experience, please enable JavaScript in your browser before proceeding. Cooling System Coolant Sample (Level 2) - Obtain ..... 80 Every 6000 Service Hours or 3 Years Cooling System Coolant Extender (ELC) - Add .... 78 Every 12 000 Service Hours or 6 Years Cooling System Coolant (ELC) - Change ..... 75 First 12 750 L (3375 US gal) of Fuel or 250 Service Hours How about oil seepage at the "block plugs" (Block plugs are alternative locations that the oil level dipstick can be place, for different chassis)  How about oil leaks, at the bottom of the rear cover/tranny bellhousing? Approx. Strange: Posted 2/28/2011 12:47 (#1641636) Subject: 98 Cat C12 - Antifreeze in oil: Had an employee notice condensation on the dipstick the other day so sent engine oil sample to Cat. Thread starter Axle; Start date Apr 15, 2020; A. Axle. Where To Download Cat C12 Engine Fault Codes Cat C12 Engine Fault Codes CAT Fault Codes | Caterpillar Engine Errors And Trouble Codes Cat Diagnostic codes are used by the electronic system in order to alert the operator that a problem exists. Service manager tells me to pull the pan, pressurize the cooling system and see which liner is leaking. Retired, HD mechanic, worked on engines all my life. I would have checked that a long time before, I would have ripped the engine apart. Now we have removed the waterpump. Cat® technology and services give you the edge you need for success. The alternator on the Caterpillar C12 has an output rating of 12 volts and 105 amps. made by other manufacturers are used on Caterpillar prod-ucts, the Caterpillar warranty is not affected simply C12's are known for leaking antifreeze into the oil when the pump seal goes. The alternator on the Caterpillar C12 has an output rating of 12 volts and 105 amps. Worldwide Diesel. There is no backfeed of oil into the radiator. X2 liners are fat and liners seals are up high I can see how liner could pin hole in c12 site in counter bore and liner seals half way up, never seen c12 with liner issues be it pin holes or liner heights. they did a re-man on his engine and the problem still occurred. I have for sale a Cat C-12 motor, in excellent running condition, ( Serial #2KS 25612 136-4310), I have driven this truck a number of times, and must say that I am impressed with the power under load of the C12 engine. Extended Life Coolants (ELC) Extended Life Inhibitor (ELI) Conventional Coolants Check for excessive smoke (oil getting into the bores), coolant loss (coolant getting into the bores) and a mayonnaise effect in the oil (coolant getting into the oil) You don't say what car you have, but for quite a lot of vehicles, particularly older ones, that is a do-able job for a reasonably competant diy mechanic. whats happening with oil cooler talked to a cat mechanic about cooler, he said that it probably wouldn't leak until it got hot (expansion). system can hold 2.7 gallons of coolant. Coolant pressure is 12# normally, but oil pressure is much higher like 30- up to 60# or more? Basically, there AREN'T any of your typical, round o-rings on a C12 liner. I think I am the 4th owner of it. Engine Parts for sale on MyLittleSalesman.com. Cat dealers have the most current information available. View photos, details, and other Misc. 1998 Cat C-12 reman. CAT C12 Coolant Manifold. This may have been you or someone else. Minimum recommended engine speed at cruising is 1,400 rpm at 55 mph with a maximum cruising speed at 1,700 rpm. I look down at him to see a puzzled look, so I slide under for a look. CAT C-12 Oil Cooler w/ Filter Base, Part # 115-4514. The liquid coolant is used removal of rocker covers revealed lots of water and sludge. they foud out it was the crack in the air compressor. If someone else did this, they could be trying to reset your password, or it could be a mistake. I have seen one cat do this and at cat school one time they told us of this problem.Cat said it happens some times but one liner had a pin hole thru it from elctrales and it was at the bottom of liner were one piston ring would stop over it when going down and as it would start up it would have a pumping effect of a small amount of oil thru the hole.Something like a piston pump ever time the ring would change direction of travel.The one I saw had not been overhauled but had antfreeze mixed causeing the coolant to work on the liners like I have never seen before.It took about six months to find.I don't remneber the model of the engine cause its been ten years back. Service Location. yes, it was the water pump only. I removed it, plugged off all the oil galleys, filled it with solvent, preasurized it and put it in the hot tank. Well, I just recieved an new direction. Join Date: Aug 2007. The operator was rightly concerned and keen to get it resolved before it became a bigger problem. DSHEQUIP Active Member. It came back with … C12 use a big, fat, tall band(rubber material) midway down into the block, then the outside of the liner has a slight taper to it(just above the liner flange/lip area), and when the liner goes downward(during installation), onto its midship, liner flange; that big, fat, tall liner band gets pushed outward AND downward against the block, to help seal it, PLUS, even if it did leak, THEN the coolant would also have to get thru the liner flange "seat area" or "lip" to even get coolant … If you pull the valve covers, you'll see the head gasket pushed out between the block and the head right next to the cam followers. The quality of finished oil is dependent on the quality of the base stock, the quality of the additives and the compatibility of the base stock and additives. The pump seemed fine but it does have a little play in it. and a manual, we decided that we should check the head. 102-03 … What is the best oil and coolant to run in these CAT C12 What coolant would work bed, do they have a all makes coolant? (note: there are 2 different head gaskets, depending on block and head "styles" or if they are mixed with a different combination of block verses cylinder head = take good photos of bottom of cylinder head, AND top deck of engine block, then CAT parts guys  can look up the special instructions (service letter) and get you the correct head gasket or head gasket kit part #.). CAT C13 OIL IN COOLANT. If internal leakage is suspected, refer to "Testing The Radiator And Cooling System For Leaks" for instructions on pressure testing the cooling system. This engine features a dry charge coolant conditioner, a fan-drive mounting bracket, front engine supports, and a lubricating oil filter. It has a c15 cat with approx 530k on the clock-never been touched. Furakawa FL35 loader. Just a thought! Since the introduction of the C12, CAT has also introduced a newer liner(a long time ago), that in addition these areas, there is now a single "D" style o-ring and groove on C12 liners. We made plates for each end of the oil cooler with a air fitting. Well, I had an oil change done and I noticed that my coolant was a little low and I had the oil tested at my local cat dealer and it came back positive for coolant. 1988 ford van fresh overhaul, 1991 nissan pick-up 1993 Caprice 2000 GMC S10 Blaser 2007 nbs 3500 GMC 4x4 crew-cab long box 17 inch single wheels Duramax Alison. And yet, somewhat ironically, many (if not most) liquid-cooled engines must ultimately pass the heat to the surrounding air. $699.00 + shipping . thanks. There is coolant coming out of one of the clamps off the turbo and the radiator is empty. Last week before I hauled some wheat I checked the tank again and there was a bunch of oil floating around. Oil cooler is the most probable cause of oil in the coolant. 11-30-2020, (Subject: Best Oil and Coolant for CAT engines? ) Ant crack that would go between the coolant passages and the oil galley would put oil in the coolant. Cat C12 Oil Capacity; Username: Remember Me? Crack oil drain plug open in morning and drain into pan. There is never any puddles under the truck anywhere. Put air to it submerge the whole thing in a tub of water and see if air comes out of the oil holes. It has a c15 cat with approx 530k on the clock-never been touched. We had the same issues with the C12 we have. To eliminate transmission oil cooler, bend and ziptie hoses to the trans cooler, change coolant and run the engine high idle for an hour. Cat® C12 Diesel Marine Propulsion Engines, with ratings of 340-490 bhp (254-366 bkW) at 1800-2300 rpm, meet IMO II emission standards with the exception of the 497 mhp (490 bhp) rating at 2300 rpm which meets IMO I emissions standards. Never seen it. The engine oil will have a milky appearance if contamination from the cooling system is present. Cat 325 with 3126 coolant in oil. Mechanic said it is a water pump. What about a c-12 thats using 5 gal oil in about 4,000 mile? $0.00 . Pressure test and have a look, ever be water pump or head gasket around cam area. Take a compression test and that should pinpoint what the problem is. Guy before me only put about 1500 miles on it. ours was loosing coolant this spring and ended up being the water pump. '06 Cat C9 ACERT 700,000 mi.s No APU No Espar or other fuel fired type coolant heaters No fuel dilution in Polaris labs Oil Analysis (<1% - Estimate) No postassium in Oil (0) so no coolant in oil Motor has not run hot, if anything, too cool 185 to 190 degree area Added a quart of coolant in 50,000 mi.s Motor has no EGR or DPF Ant crack that would go between the coolant passages and the oil galley would put oil in the coolant. I have checked the oil cooler, water pump and also disassembled cylinder head for testing and checking, That’s because your machine came factory-filled with Cat Coolant that lasts for 6,000 hours — three times as long as conventional coolant — with no extender required. This engine features a dry charge coolant conditioner, a fan-drive mounting bracket, front engine supports, and a lubricating oil filter. We know that it eventually streams antifreeze because of the build-up in the valve covers and breather filters. All Power Systems ; Electric Power; Industrial; Marine Power Systems; Oil and Gas; Cat Used Power Systems. (C12 _ right side block plug and dipstick.jpg), C12 _ right side block plug and dipstick.jpg. We have a 2004 quad dump truck that had to be towed in today. Ive noticed a few months ago that I was getting a little bit of oil in the coolant tank in my peterbilt. When it got to about 170 F it lost preasure. I will post more info, if anybody else has this problem. Password: Register. Since you have milky substance in the fill tube, you are getting coolant in the oil. they want to tear apart the engine. Im going to try and change my oil today but I dont know how much to put back in. Do nothing more to this engine. Not sure what has been done to engine. My engine was just overhauled about 30k ago. Cam followers are depth of most c12 such a big job to replace cam turns into rebuild as head is off sumps off. 14 yrs at a Cat dealer - have never seen an air compressor push oil into the coolant, the cooler is the only place it really could come from unless you have a cracked head next to the oil passage - very unlikely. Diesel Engine Oil for Cat® Engines Diesel Engine Oil for Cat® on-highway trucks, earthmoving, commercial, and marine diesel engines combines a high quality base stock with a proprietary, balanced additive system having a combination of metallic detergents, ashes dispersants and … i have coolant in my oil. Start with water pump, had same problem several years ago. We didn't have noticable coolant in the oil, but we were loosing it. It's a 1998 Pete 378. )Since the introduction of the C12, CAT has also introduced a newer liner(a long time ago), that in addition these areas, there is now a single "D" style o-ring and groove on C12 liners. 98 Cat C12 - Antifreeze in oil Jump to page : 1 Now viewing page 1 [50 messages per page] View previous thread:: View next thread Forums List-> Machinery Talk: Message format . I have a cat 3126 that is locked up. got a c12 with some coolant showing up in the oil. The 2nd episode of Diesel Talk, after getting so many likes of the first one, this is going to be a recurring show. Discussion in 'Excavators' started by DSHEQUIP, Jan 7, 2016. Put a lot of coolant in oil, thought it had to be head gasket but local shop convinced us to start with pump. SELECT YOUR VEHICLE. The C12 is 50.6 inches long, 35.68 inches wide, stands 41.85 inches tall and weighs 2,070 lb. Good Clean Part. Engine coolant mixing with engine oil is a sign of an internal gasket or engine failure. is this true Cat dealers have the most current information available. (pretty hard for the original poster to decipher, when guys lump all CAT engines into one category or design)C12 use a big, fat, tall band(rubber material) midway down into the block, then the outside of the liner has a slight taper to it(just above the liner flange/lip area), and when the liner goes downward(during installation), onto its midship, liner flange; that big, fat, tall liner band gets pushed outward AND downward against the block, to help seal it, PLUS, even if it did leak, THEN the coolant would also have to get thru the liner flange "seat area" or "lip" to even get coolant into the oil (This head is clamped pretty hard, with the fire ring and headbolt tension all pushing downward in that metal to metal joint. Have counter bored more 3406s, c15 and c16 than I can remember but not c12. 4wd is correct. i heard from a friend that he too had the same problem. Reply. This may have been you or someone else. Ive noticed a few months ago that I was getting a little bit of oil in the coolant tank in my peterbilt. they can be a ft thick and still loook like the marrow of the inside of a chicken bone in a spot about 3 inches long and a 1/4 inch wide.the first hole thru will be about the size of a pin head.But no matter what diagnosis needs doen so good money wont need to be sent after bad. Part # 131-4163. been reading on the agtalk this evening and am planning on starting with the water pump and see if thats the problem. The question is where is it happening? Cat c12 coolant temp sensor Cat c12 coolant temp sensor. Look at this Caterpillar C12 Coolant Manifold For A CAT C12 Engine for sale in Arizona. I personally like Delo synblend 15-40 (13$/g) and 10% 120-140ish wt gear oil, i think rawze uses walmart brand, i used to use Mystik (citgo) but have been buying my distributors xtreme brand synthetic for a cpl gear box replacements and just used the leftover in the engine. Im like half a block from kenworth so .... lol Thanks given by: Graglor. Caterpillar is currently phasing out the old Coolant Conditioners and replacing them with an additive-free filter for use in machines where these are required. A Torque Sensor, is a transducer that converts a torsional mechanical input into an electrical output signal. Member. Also, im … truck is using 5 litres of coolant … C-10, C-12, 3406E, C-15 & C-16 TRUCK ENGINE ELECTRICAL SYSTEM SCHEMATIC ... 100-03 Oil Pressure Sensor Open Circuit 24 246-11 Brake Switch #1 Fault 00. I pulled the pan off today and presurized the cooling system after about 3hr. The oil fill tube had slime in it as well as the crankcase breather tube. Mechanic pulled the oil pan and pressurized the system overnight and found anifreeze trickling down the front cover.Changed the water pump and no issues since. Common signs include oil or coolant leaking from the oil cooler, oil getting in the cooling system, and coolant getting in the oil. 102-00 Boost Pressure Sensor Stuck High 25 252-11 Incorrect Engine Software 59. Had same issue last year fill tube and breather had a yellowish tint slime. If the engine oil has coolant entering the coolant will go to the bottom of pan sump after sitting over night. Some of you guys are talking about 3406, or 3306, C15 or C-15 engines; they are a much different design for liners, than C12 or C10. Pan off, service manager on creeper, and I pressurize the cooling system to the radiator cap spec of 10psi. C-12's don't normally blow compression into the cooling system, they leak coolant into the oil, always on the cam side. CAT C13 OIL IN COOLANT. I was just starting with the water pump. Yes, water pumps and head gaskets are normal culprits. This we could see. The antifreeze is clean. i have a cat c12 that is losing coolant, no visible signs of any water leaks, no water in oil and no water pressure in system. the only coolent I could find was a small drip on the one of the front gears. $699.00 + shipping . then will think about pulling the head. As far as oil capacity, on a C12, many different oil pans may be used in different makes and models of trucks, so just keep pouring in oil and check the dipstick frequently while doing so, until the oil is at the full mark. Joined: Jun 4, 2015 Messages: 31 Location: 08089 . I will be changing a radiator hose and also doing an oil change. My engine was just overhauled about 30k ago. Power Systems. The C12 holds 9 to 10 gallons of oil, I found standard (Rotella T4) diesel oil for $18/gallon so that's $162 to 180 just for the oil, and the filter is another $30. Should have held the pressure to it for awhile to see if it forced all the oil out and then streamed antifreese. We dyno'd it and never got it to leak, he would take it out and call at Leduc saying it was blowing oil out. This engine features a fan-drive mounting bracket, front engine supports, a lubricating oil filter and a dry charge coolant conditioner. hey I am working on a cat c-12 at work and it is getting water in the oil. ( it is normal thickness, below the flange = only "splash oil" hits that area)   I say twice as thick as a 3406 liner, in that upper half area. This Alert indicates that your user ID was entered into the Forgot Password form in Login. did the work and told me o ring went bad on one liner and dumped antifreeze into oil. … read more coolant must be moved through the engine in some fashion to achieve better heat transfer efficiency and to limit the possibility of overheating the coolant in the hottest parts of the engine. 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